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Neither Still Exists Nor No Longer Exists Nevahotinanahotisutta

At Sāvatthī. Sāvatthinidānaṁ.

ā€œMendicants, when what exists, because of grasping what and insisting on what, does the view arise: ā€œKismiṁ nu kho, bhikkhave, sati, kiṁ upādāya, kiṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diį¹­į¹­hi uppajjati: ā€˜A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death’?ā€ ā€˜neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraį¹‡Äā€™ā€ti?

ā€œOur teachings are rooted in the Buddha. ā€¦ā€ ā€œBhagavaṁmÅ«lakā no, bhante, dhammā …pe…

ā€œWhen form exists, because of grasping form and insisting on form, the view arises: ā€œRÅ«pe kho, bhikkhave, sati, rÅ«paṁ upādāya, rÅ«paṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diį¹­į¹­hi uppajjati: ā€˜A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’ ā€˜neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraį¹‡Äā€™ā€ti. When feeling … ā€œVedanāya sati … perception … saƱƱāya sati … choices … saį¹…khāresu sati … consciousness exists, because of grasping consciousness and insisting on consciousness, the view arises: viññāṇe sati, viññāṇaṁ upādāya, viññāṇaṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diį¹­į¹­hi uppajjati: ā€˜a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’ ā€˜neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’ti.

What do you think, mendicants? Taṁ kiṁ maƱƱatha, bhikkhave, Is form permanent or impermanent?ā€ rÅ«paṁ niccaṁ vā aniccaṁ vÄā€ti?

ā€œImpermanent, sir.ā€ … ā€œAniccaṁ, bhanteā€ …pe… vipariṇāmadhammaṁ,

api nu taṁ anupādāya evaṁ diį¹­į¹­hi uppajjeyya: ā€˜neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraį¹‡Äā€™ā€ti? ā€œNo hetaṁ, bhanteā€.

ā€œAnd so, when suffering exists, because of grasping suffering and insisting on suffering, the view arises: ā€œIti kho, bhikkhave, dukkhe sati, dukkhaṁ upādāya, dukkhaṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diį¹­į¹­hi uppajjati: ā€˜A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.ā€™ā€ … ā€˜neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraį¹‡Äā€™ā€ti.

ā€œIs feeling … ā€œVedanā … perception … saƱƱā … choices … saį¹…khārā … consciousness permanent or impermanent?ā€ viññāṇaṁ niccaṁ vā aniccaṁ vÄā€ti?

ā€œImpermanent, sir.ā€ … ā€œAniccaṁ, bhanteā€ …pe… vipariṇāmadhammaṁ,

ā€œBut by not grasping what’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, would such a view arise?ā€ api nu taṁ anupādāya evaṁ diį¹­į¹­hi uppajjeyya: ā€˜neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraį¹‡Äā€™ā€ti?

ā€œNo, sir.ā€ ā€œNo hetaṁ, bhanteā€.

ā€œAnd so, when suffering exists, because of grasping suffering and insisting on suffering, the view arises: ā€œIti kho, bhikkhave, dukkhe sati, dukkhaṁ upādāya dukkhaṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diį¹­į¹­hi uppajjati: ā€˜A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.ā€™ā€ ā€˜neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraį¹‡Äā€™ā€ti.

Aṭṭhārasamaṁ.