Controverted PointSattakkhattuparamo puggalo sattakkhattuparamatāniyatoti? Theravādin:Is such an one capable of murdering mother, father, or Arahant, of shedding with malign heart a Tathāgata's blood, of creating schism? You deny … .Āmantā. And is he incapable of penetrating Truth during the interval? You deny. Then he cannot possibly become guilty of those heinous crimes, which admit of no intervening rebirth without retribution. You now assent, admitting that he is incapable of that penetration. Then you imply that he may commit those crimes, which of such a man you deny.Mātā jīvitā voropitā … Is there a fixed order of things (among the Paths) by which the seven-rebirths'-limit man is bound to go through all the seven? You deny. Then your proposition cannot hold. Do you in other words hold that there are applications of mindfulness, supreme efforts, steps to potency, controlling powers, forces, factors of enlightenment, byculture inwhich the seven-births'-limit person is destined to go through all seven?pitā jīvitā voropito … culture inarahā jīvitā voropito … Is not the opposite the case? And how then can you maintain your proposition?duṭṭhena cittena tathāgatassa lohitaṁ uppāditaṁ … You maintain that such a person is not so destined except by the fixed order of the First, or Stream-winner's Path. But are all who enter on that Path destined to go through all the seven rebirths?saṅgho bhinnoti? Uttarāpathaka:You say I am wrong; nevertheless you must admit that the person in question is a seven-births'-limit person? Surely then my proposition stands? … .Na hevaṁ vattabbe …pe….

Uttarāpathaka:Sattakkhattuparamo puggalo sattakkhattuparamatāniyatoti? Shwe Zan AungĀmantā. This SuttaCentral edition was prepared byManfred WierichandVen. Vimalaand proofread byJosephine Tobin. Some changes were introduced:Abhabbo antarā dhammaṁ abhisametunti? Manfred WierichNa hevaṁ vattabbe …pe…. Ven. VimalaAbhabbo antarā dhammaṁ abhisametunti? Josephine TobinĀmantā. Abbreviations, i.e., those of cited works and the participants in the controversies, were expanded.Cross-references were linked.Some typographic changes were introduced, among others, i.e.: the phonetic symbol “ŋ” was changed to the Pāli diacritical letter “ṃ”, “ô” to “o”, single quotes to double quotes, and “:—” to “:”.Letter-spacing with fixed spaces was replaced with bold font.The corrigenda were merged into the text. Some could not be resolved, though.Mātā jīvitā voropitā … Abbreviations, i.e., those of cited works and the participants in the controversies, were expanded.pitā jīvitā voropito … Cross-references were linked.arahā jīvitā voropito … Some typographic changes were introduced, among others, i.e.: the phonetic symbol “ŋ” was changed to the Pāli diacritical letter “ṃ”, “ô” to “o”, single quotes to double quotes, and “:—” to “:”.duṭṭhena cittena tathāgatassa lohitaṁ uppāditaṁ … Letter-spacing with fixed spaces was replaced with bold font.saṅgho bhinnoti? The corrigenda were merged into the text. Some could not be resolved, though.Na hevaṁ vattabbe …pe….

This electronic version is published under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial 3.0 licence (CC BY-NC 3.0) as found here:http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/Sattakkhattuparamo puggalo sattakkhattuparamatāniyatoti? All copyright is owned by the Pali Text Society. See also the statement under http://www.palitext.com/ → Publications → Copyright Announcement. For non-commercial use only.Āmantā. Atthi so niyamo yena niyamena sattakkhattuparamo puggalo sattakkhattuparamatāniyatoti? Na hevaṁ vattabbe …pe… atthi te satipaṭṭhānā …pe… sammappadhānā … iddhipādā … indriyā … balā … bojjhaṅgā yehi bojjhaṅgehi sattakkhattuparamo puggalo sattakkhattuparamatāniyatoti? Na hevaṁ vattabbe …pe….

Natthi so niyamo yena niyamena sattakkhattuparamo puggalo sattakkhattuparamatāniyatoti? Āmantā. Hañci natthi so niyamo yena niyamena sattakkhattuparamo puggalo sattakkhattuparamatāniyato, no ca vata re vattabbe—“sattakkhattuparamo puggalo sattakkhattuparamatāniyato”ti.

Natthi te satipaṭṭhānā …pe… bojjhaṅgā yehi bojjhaṅgehi sattakkhattuparamo puggalo sattakkhattuparamatāniyatoti? Āmantā. Hañci natthi te bojjhaṅgā yehi bojjhaṅgehi sattakkhattuparamo puggalo sattakkhattuparamatāniyato, no ca vata re vattabbe—“sattakkhattuparamo puggalo sattakkhattuparamatāniyato”ti.

Sattakkhattuparamo puggalo sattakkhattuparamatāniyatoti? Āmantā. Sakadāgāminiyamenāti? Na hevaṁ vattabbe …pe… anāgāminiyamenāti? Na hevaṁ vattabbe …pe… arahattaniyamenāti? Na hevaṁ vattabbe …pe….

Katamena niyamenāti? Sotāpattiniyamenāti. Sattakkhattuparamo puggalo sattakkhattuparamatāniyatoti? Āmantā. Ye keci sotāpattiniyāmaṁ okkamanti, sabbe te sattakkhattuparamatāniyatāti? Na hevaṁ vattabbe …pe….

Na vattabbaṁ—“sattakkhattuparamo puggalo sattakkhattuparamatāniyato”ti? Āmantā. Nanu so sattakkhattuparamoti? Āmantā. Hañci so sattakkhattuparamo, tena vata re vattabbe—“sattakkhattuparamo puggalo sattakkhattuparamatāniyato”ti.

Sattakkhattuparamakathā niṭṭhitā.